You should read the police report. These people rejected Occupy Cleveland for being too peaceful. They tried to influence other members to take up violent tactics but were completely rejected. They then went on to try and influence people at homeless shelters. The face of Occupy are the members who rejected the use of violence.

blackflame now that is not true here is a quote from a occupy cleveland protest not even 2 monthes ago in which he helped organize "Brandon Baxter of Lakewood said he had no regrets for making sure people heard the message" so they were current occupy cleveland members admit it and move on (that does not say that all occupy people are bad just those 5)

watch in 2 days the media will have them be secret tea party members that tried to make the peaceful protesters look guilty

Yes, Adam, learn logic. What you are doing is switching the subject to the fact that I have a handle which has absolutely nothing to do with my arguments. For those that don't understand logic, this is called a fallacious argument. After that, you assert that they were clearly members of Occupy. However, the FBI report says they infiltrated Occupy to convert members. The report also says that the real Occupy member rejected their violent tactics. But if you would like my real name, it's Michael Miller. Most people on the online use handles which is a common practice for the past 20 years. It has no bearing as to whether an argument is true or false.

But its clear what you are doing. You are trying to take a couple of members and generalize for the whole. Again, this is fallacious reasoning and unless you're an idiot, I imagine you know this.

Sorry, but you are an idiot.

With your process of thinking the US Army Staff Sergeant who killed 16 Afghan citizens did so with the support of the US Army and Government? He was a CLEARLY a member of the Army, therefore he must represent their beliefs and ideals. So anyone with any association to a group and then goes and commits a crime does so because that's what the group represents?

You see this makes no sense and is ignorant and not well thought out. Very similiar to the comments made by yourself, Tom M. and many others. You way of thinking is just as ugly and dangerous.

Every assertion made by this poster (V. Mooney) is either incorrect or just plain false. His points are not backed up with any evidence of their validity. His last statement is purely defeatist in nature, and offers no hope of resolution on any issue.

Simply because they say they are members, does not mean they CLEARLY are at all. Just curious, do you support the Occupy movement or no?

oh yeah, and I almost forgot. A bunch of rapes have occurred among occupy "supporters". Including one here in Cleveland. Not to say the group endorses rape, but the group does seem to attract this quality of human. Just my observations from countless stories...

What is your rationale for calling Occupy members "losers"? Sounds like you are generalizing because you do not support their ideas???

@Brian, I could not have said it any better. This is the same thing they do to bullie dogs, if one is bad, then they must all be bad. So much for our military then and congress and senators...ect. ect. ect.

sure you can and as long as the occupy crowd continues to allow their members to wear masks and towels to cover their faces they will be nothing more than thugs who cannot count 300 million people is 99% they get what 180 people in a city of 400,000 at their protests

Tom, just as you hide behind you Name, Tom M with no picture. It seems you have more in common with the Occupy Cleveland group than most posting here. A city of 400,000 that used to be a million, but you're more interested in knocking people down on the internet than doing something to help this city. The more you talk, the more I see through you and your non-sense.

Brian talk about hiding behind your name you claim to Be Brian Nicholas who is a Middle School Football Coach yet public records show no educators in the entire state of ohio with that name also a check of public utilities records show no utilities in the name of Brian Nicholas in the city of lakewood or Cleveland but there is a Ben Nicholas in Lakewood on the Sex offenders Database

Again, Tom you only read and interpret what you want to see. Read my whole profile and by the way, my records are very public. You're just not as smart as you think you are and don't know how to access them.

My profile: Lakewood Resident, Business Analyst, Cleveland Sports Fan, Middle School Football Coach, and Traumatic Brain Injury Advocate.

Where does it say I am an educator? You are proving my point about how you categorize people because you don't read thoroughly or simply don't understand. You see Tom, all I have to do is keep questioning you and your lack of knowledge and you show you really don't know too much. Peace out!

@Evan, and you have proof of all this, or only media dictating to your weak mind.

@Evan. Lakewood has drugs, illegal weapons, public nuisance and trash. So why are you still here???

Evan, the rape in cleveland did not happen, no charges. Last I heard THEY powerwashed everything, no cost to taxpayers. And it was the Hippies that stopped the vietnam war, no help from you. I see damaged property all over lakewood, how about you take off those blinders and walk the city. A proud Hippie in Lakewood.

Steve, read the PD this morning. CITY WORKERS are pictured dismantling the occupy tent as the occupy heroes sit on the sidewalk and watch. Proves my point. Tax payers shoulder the cost of these pathetic displays. Havent read a single story of the protesters cleaning up a park or beautifying a public space after a protest. How progressive!

hey brian here is yet another peaceful protest..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfiVxm5g7eE (occupy seattle with anarchists mixed in ) sounds like here

hey brian yet another peaceful protest in portland ....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-WS42BBBLs

and we cannot forget the peaceful occupy oakland people .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOZe5hmiRJg&feature=related

ummmmm Brian those 3 videos show more than a few rejects at those peaceful protests you are always defending

Tom M apparently missed the one where occupy protesters got sprayed with tear gas for just sitting there (UCDavis). Of course, he probably gets his "news" from a 1-sided propaganda machine.

thank you for your service

Thanks for your service Adam. When liberals run out of arguments, they resort to labeling opponents as Tea Party supporters. Which doesnt bother me. I'm also for smaller government and lower taxes. I take it as a compliment.

I think this is an isolated group of lunatics. Like McVeigh or his co-conspirators, the gunman in Arizona (Weds. shooting). They exist. Some are anarchists, some are white-supremacists. Liberals don't want them to succeed anymore than you do.

Evan, you see my reverse physcology works everytime. First you think I am a liberal and I am resorting to call you a Tea Party Supporter, when in fact you are doing the same when you say all Occupy Cleveland Members (which again, I am not) want and promote violence against big corps and government. What do you call it when you and your friends on here begin labeling people or groups because some aholes where a part of their group?

Brian, you're not making any sense. There's NO evidence that the Tea Party is a racist group, or even has any racist signs displayed at rally's. To the obama supporter, any criticism of him is by default racist. That I take issue with. With regard to the occupy movement (Occupy Cleveland aside), there's a wealth of examples to show that the group is violent and unlawful to say the least. The two groups are not morally equivalent in any sense. The net affect of the occupy "movement" has been noise and destroyed property. The net affect of the tea party movement has been a landslide election of conservatives to the House of Representatives...

Evan Brian has never made any sense nor do I think he ever will ..there is a murphys law quote which fits brian to a tee .....Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

here is a video of a 19 percenter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VQEH1SQ0tA&feature=related

Enemies of America are ENEMIES of mine! Whatever name they have or group they belong to...

Actually, Timothy McVeigh is dead.