Ohio Senator Creates Bill to Counter Anti-Contraception Legislation
Nina Turner wants as much attention given to male reproductive organs as the women are getting.
If Ohio Sen. Nina Turner's new bill passes, men will have to meet a certain government criteria before getting a prescription for Viagra, according to the Huffington Post.
Turner (D-Cleveland) told the Post that "she has cringed watching her colleagues pass bill after bill to regulate women's reproductive health," and she wants to "give her male colleagues a taste of their own medicine."
Under the bill, men would be required to get psychological counseling to confirm they have a medical reason for taking erectile dysfunction medicine, such as Viagra, before a prescription can be written. Doctors would be required to inform the men in writing about the potential risks of ED medication.
The man asking for the prescription also has to provide a notarized affidavit from at least one sex partner saying he's had symptoms of ED in the last 90 days, according to the Plain Dealer.
"We should show the same attention and love to men's reproductive health as we do to women's," Turner told HuffPost. "And my bill does that."
Turner represents the Ohio Senate's 25th District, which includes Beachwood, Mayfield Heights, Euclid, East Cleveland and parts of Cleveland, among other cities.
Peter Grossetti
4:11 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
This is absolutely brilliant; some of the most out-of-the-box thinking I've heard of in a VERY long time. Kudos, Senator Turner!
Jack Kelly
5:09 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Like they say: what's good for the goose is good for the gander!
If some of our "less government" Republicans (said with overflowing-sarcasm) insist on going after women's birth control, then it's only fair that mens birth control is gone after in the exact same way.
Sean Blake
9:54 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Um Jack, Viagra is not birth control.
John Meola
8:10 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Yes, Sean, but certainly ED drugs should be a last resort, not a first resort. These drugs can have dangerous side effects such as erections lasting more than four hours, sudden decreases in blood pressure, hearing loss, and impaired vision among others. The government needs to make sure that the man is physically able to take an ED drug without risk of dangerous side effects. Further, the government should ensure that his ED couldn't better be treated through psychotherapy.
Besides which, the man should realize that his impotence is God's will and, if he's a good Christian, should gladly accept the will of the Almighty without question or recourse to man-made substances.
Jack Kelly
11:01 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
I am well aware of that Sean (and I'll admit that I used the wrong terminology), but there are many women who take birth control pills for NON-pregnancy prevention purposes (for ovarian cysts, for example). And ED meds are paid for by most insurance companies and would continue to be while women have to fight to have the same benefit.
Alicia
11:23 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Maybe a man suffering from ED is having a personal message sent from God to stop trying to procreate, you know since you only have sex to have offspring. LOL.
Scott Rollins
11:41 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
I wish i could turn in completely useless work at my job and still collect a paycheck. Tomorrow ill try to do something out of pure spite, just like this bill she proposed and see where that gets me.
Chris
12:03 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
I don't think we are talking about 20 something's here. I think most men that go to the Doctors for Viagra are not taking it to procreate there probable past that point and there partners are also past that place in there life too. Your talking about older people because of a medical condition can not be interment sexually with there partner and need help with that part of there life. Viagra has nothing to do with birth control. A Ohio Senator should have better things to do in this economy and high unemployment in Ohio Then wondering what everyone is doing in there bedrooms, Apperently there doing what your not, Nina. Don't be such a kill-joy.
Jack Kelly
7:20 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
You're actually missing the point of the Senator's bill. There are many women who need to take birth control pills for non-pregnancy prevention purposes. So, why should women have to fight to have that covered, while guy's ED meds continue to be covered. I'd rather pay for a woman who NEEDS to take BC pills for cysts on her ovaries, for example, compared to a guy who needs to take a pill to have a 36-hour hard-on (sorry to be so blunt for the easily-offended). There's a huge hypocrisy here among the "less-government" (and less educated) Republicans that have been elected. One is medically-necessary. The latter -- not so much.
Andrea S
11:09 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
A good article that talks about some of Jack's points (that it's for more than pregnancy prevention):
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/29/opinion/huffman-women-health/index.html?iref=allsearch
"Voters, including Catholics, overwhelmingly support health care coverage for contraception. The truth is women use contraception not only as a way to prevent unintended pregnancies, but also to improve their health and the health of their families. Increased access to contraception is directly linked to declines in maternal and infant mortality. It can also protect women against debilitating symptoms of endometriosis and reduce the risk of ovarian cancer."
Tim Torrence
2:56 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Here's the logic behind this suggestion by an Ohio senator who is obviously stealing her paycheck. First, statistically more women than men get pregnant therefore it is a woman's opinion that is the sole authority in matters of birth control. (Side note: I said birth control not contraception. They are two different things. Contraception prevents conception, birth control prevents birth after conception) But men are trying to take that authority away from women so we go to point two. Statistically more men than women have erectile dysfunction and they are currently the authority on that subject so we must turn the tables. Unfortunately the logic is flawed because the first argument does not stop a woman from having sex, even if abortion was banned the act of sex can still be accomplished. Now if she was to say no man could have a sterilization procedure then she might have a case but not really since no woman is required to prove the father of her child approves an abortion procedure . Let us follow her logic to its conclusion. Women are involved in car accidents at a rate of 5.7 per million miles driven while men are involved in accidents at a rate of 5.1 accidents per million miles driven. So logically we can conclude that a woman must get her husband's or her father's or brother's or her boyfriend's permission to drive. And each time before she drives she must take the driver's test and be shown a movie about the dangers of driving irresponsibly. Agreeable?
lincoln adams
7:38 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Are we actually paying this woman for this? Our inner city schools are a disaster. Our suburban schools have to keep passing levy's just to have busing. Countless thousands of people are still out of work and losing their homes. Many of our youth are disenfranchised and are killing others or themselves....
And she's working hard on this type of legislation??? I think there is a point to be made regarding who is in "control" of a person's body. But this is NOT the way to do it. And what's truly sad in the situation is that once again we've reduced sex to nothing more than a self-seeking biological function. I wonder how much things would change if both people involved in sex regarded each other as more important than themselves. I wonder how things would change about sex if we regarded it as the highest form of physical intimacy that is a bi-product of emotional and spiritual intimacy?
What if we looked at sex like an invaluable treasure instead of something we pick up in the checkout aisle at Walmart. I think our need to legislate who, what, where and when regarding sex would greatly diminish...
Or maybe I'm just naive.
Michelle Sahr
9:00 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Good points!
Andrea S
11:07 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
There are a whole slew of proposed bills out there that are intentially written on a mocking way in an attempt to fight what's going on. You can read about the other bills similar to Turner's here: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/06/438678/as-anti-abortion-bills-gain-steam-legislators-push-back-with-legislation-mocking-the-extreme-bills/?mobile=nc
lincoln adams
11:31 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Two or two thousand wrongs don't make a right. Our legislators need to save their "Common Sense" writings for books not bills.
Terry
9:10 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Spitefull legislation is corrossive and detrimental to the political process. Shameless grandstanding by another politician who heaps more junk legislation onto the pile of intrusive government requirements.
Sonia Gwynes
9:27 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Bravo Senator Turner!
Sonia Gwynes
9:36 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Keep up the good work Senator!
She also introduced bill 283 earlier this year.
Columbus -State Senator Nina Turner (D-Cleveland), today introduced Senate Bill 283, the Compassionate Assistance for Rape (CARE) Act. The legislation would help to ensure that sexual assault survivors are offered medical treatment following an assault.
"It is absolutely imperative that victims of sexual assault are provided with the full array of treatment information and options when they seek medical assistance," said Senator Turner. "This legislation will make sure they receive the level of care that they deserve."
http://www.progressohio.org/blog/2012/01/senator-turner-introduces-sexual-assault-legislation.html
lincoln adams
9:54 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
This is a good piece of legislation. The Viagra bill is not.
Jan Hightower-Woods
9:50 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
I know of women who take birth control to keep their hormones regular because they suffer from severe migraines, which are TRUE medical issues!
Heather N. Peters
9:56 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Loved the post alicia
Heather N. Peters
9:59 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
This definitely is a good idea but the way that she states "a taste of their own medicine" makes the bill more of a revengeful idea than anything and that is not what our government and our bills should be being used for. However, what Alicia stated lines up pretty closely with what these male officials are trying to reinforce upon women...
Paul Prince
10:02 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
This whole subject is just Democratic Talking Points coupled with efforts by the Main Stream Media to reelect President Obama. It is such a non-issue. No one is trying to prevent women, collage age or otherwise, from getting the birth control they want.
The Viagra vs birth control argument is a straw-man approach to confuse the facts.
From FactCheck.org:
"...independent studies of coverage are sparse, but the ones that exist don’t show that the drug [Viagra] is covered more than birth control."
"A 2004 report by the nonpartisan Guttmacher Institute found that in 2002, 86 percent of the plans that insurance companies typically wrote for employers covered the full range of approved reversible contraceptive methods (birth control pills, hormone injections, implants, IUDs and diaphragms), and only 2 percent covered no methods at all.
The worry that Viagra, but not birth control, is being included in health care plans is out-of-date, according to Adam Sonfield, who coauthored the report. "
Plus, a study, released in May 2011 by Emily Gray Collins and Brad Hershbein of the University of Michigan’s Population Studies Center. "...nearly all insurance policies cover birth control pills, so insured women have more alternative places to get contraception."
sources:
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/07/mccains-viagra-moment/
http://www.psc.isr.umich.edu/pubs/pdf/rr11-737.pdf
Jack Kelly
11:03 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
"This whole subject is just Democratic Talking Points coupled with efforts by the Main Stream Media to reelect President Obama."
Yawn. This has NOTHING to do with this. Another right-wingnut with another conspiracy.
Paul Prince
11:44 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
From Jack: "This has NOTHING to do with this. Another right-wingnut with another conspiracy."
WRONG - It's spelled out right on Democratic Strategy Blogs: "The debate on birth control provides a boost for Democratic candidates who support free access to birth control."
The focus on birth control instead of abortion is part of Campaign Obama’s strategy to shift attention away from abortion (where Obama is at odds with most Americans) to the straw-man of birth control, which has greater support in lock step with Democrat talking points and strategy. The issue thus becomes support vs. opposition for birth control, instead of the real issue, support or opposition to religious freedom.
There is NO EFFORT to deny women the right to use birth control!
Since Democrats know they can't run on President Obama's record of failed policies, the horrible economy, high gas prices and the national debt at over $15 trillion, they want to switch the argument to birth control.
No conspiracy, just politics as usual from the Democrats.
Sources:
http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2012/03/political_strategy_notes_44.php
http://articles.philly.com/2012-02-19/news/31077337_1_catholic-women-catholic-charities-catholic-voters
http://www.redstate.com/razor/2012/02/19/birth-control-is-not-how-we-beat-obama-its-the-economy-stupid/
http://theunablogger.wordpress.com/
Jack Kelly
12:07 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Paul,
I don't think you really want to play the "partisan politics as usual" card.
And when you said there is no effort to deny women birth control, YOU are ALSO missing the point of the entire debate. Not to mention, religious freedom has nothing to do with this.
This is what happens when one copies and pastes and has to be told how to think.
Andrea S
10:58 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
I find it interesting that the government has been trying to fight teen pregnancy for years and then proposes to do something that would go in the complete opposite direction. Not to mention do you really want people getting pregnant who are not financially or emotionally ready to have a baby or who who just plain don't want a baby getting pregnant? If women have to pay the full cost of birth control and then can't afford it there's a possibility a number of things might happen. 1) Teen pregnancy goes up. 2) Number of unwed mothers having children goes up. 3) Poverty increases (due to the burden of having more or unwanted children). 4) Number of people on welfare increases (see number 3). 5) Crime increases, which would normally follow 3 and 4, 6) Domestic violence / abuse increases (could be linked to number 3 as well), 7) College enrollment decreases due to people having babies much earlier. And all this is in addition to the fact that MANY women are on birth control for reasons other than pregnancy prevention. A lot of the BC pills these days help to control a number of other reproductive related things going on in a woman's body. Think of the women who have extremely heavy or irregular periods. The women who have cramping so bad they can't go to work. The women who's emotions just go out of control. The governnment needs to stay out of reproductive rights.
Holly Pierpont
12:18 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
If we are going to argue the MEDICAL need for birth control coverage, then I'm all for it. But that's not what our government is asking for. Most insurers already cover it for medical need. Those that don't, need to do so.
But this senators point is not going to be well received or productive. It's apples to oranges comparing birth control / abortions to Viagra. If she wanted to mimic current legislation she should write a bill that requires coverage of condoms and vasectomies. We all know that isn't happening - and to her point, women seem to be the focus of government control.
Richard Ian Tracy
12:19 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Good! If this sort of anti-woman rubbish is law, men should, in turn, be required highly-invasive prostate exams as well ... thoroughly ... for treatment of ED. Demand they go on a vegan diet, too, since most ED is a sign of an eventual heart attack (a blocked artery is a blocked artery).
And no matter what you think of a zygote or foetus, it's in a woman's uterus -- meaning it is inside & part of a free citizen's body -- and it is not my business, your business or the government's business. You cannot exact legislation on organs. You cannot exact guilt trips within medicine (that is NOT ethical, sensible or in any way responsible medicine). You certainly cannot divide a woman into parts and make her a non-person. This is 2012, right?
Terry
11:59 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012
Big Bunny-You ask to not 'exact legislation'-the healthcare mandate does exactly that and certainly the Senator is in the business of exacting legislation!
Richard Ian Tracy
12:23 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012
Terry -- I said there should be no legislation on individual organs -- such as a woman's uterus -- which is what the conservative 'right' nutters continually try to do. Nina Turner's new bill is meant to shine a light on that absurdity -- why? -- because nothing else works. You have to threaten men with the same invasion & humiliation to get them to see, it seems. Should it have to come to that? No. But do they ever listen or learn? NO! Same ol' war on women that's been going on for centuries.
As for the healthcare mandate, I support that 100%. It's a different means to protecting public health and its only greater flaw is diminishing the power, control & financial gain of insurance companies -- full stop. That's it. It is a different structure but all it really does is limit the greed & corruption of insurance companies. All 'first-world' nations on the planet have socialised medicine -- so should the USA. I am sure there will be growing pains but it will be worth it. We have dozens of examples of socialised medicine (and, no, I'm not afraid to call it that) to compare & contrast -- we can tailor it to suit America.
Without healthcare, education & security, what is the point of government?
Peter Grossetti
1:21 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012
Senator Turner's proposed bill is getting the PRECISE results she wanted ... getting folks talking about "the heartbeat bill" and reprodutcive rights in general.
Ms Turner is quoted in a March 14 Dayton Daily News article: "I certainly want to stand up for men's health and take this seriously and legislate it the same way most men say they want to legislate a woman's womb." I'm not sure whether or not she uttered this with her tongue planted firmly in her cheek, but you have to admit ... uber-clever approach.
Jeanne Caparso
12:42 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
I just find it amazing that Senator Turner would try to punish men with prostate cancer. Because that's exactly what her proposed bill does. The majority of men treated for prostate cancer often suffer serious side effects from all the currently available treatments--ED is usually one of those unintended consequences. So her bill punishes those prostate cancer patients seeking treatment to remedy the side effects of their surgery, radiation etc. Sounds like a well thought out plan on Senator Turner's part. . . . Would she do the same for breast cancer patients?? make them jump through hoops to get coverage for treatments to remedy side effects of their treatment??